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<h1>20161011 - Forth Hardware Thoughts</h1>
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James Bowman's FPGA based J1 :
<a href="http://excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html">Site</a> |
<a href="http://excamera.com/files/j1.pdf">PDF</a> |
<a href="http://www.forth.org/svfig/kk/11-2010-Bowman.pdf">Presentation</a> |
<a href="http://excamera.com/files/j1demo/docforth/">Forth Source</a>
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Chuck Moore :
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150429141814/http://www.colorforth.com/arith.htm">Arithmetic</a> |
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150425143433/http://www.colorforth.com/inst.htm">Instruction Set</a> |
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140212140151/http://www.colorforth.com/etherCode.htm">Ether Forth</a> |
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20150324055250/http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm">Problem Oriented Language</a>
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<b>GA144</b>
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<a href="http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/about/index.html">GreenArrays</a><br>
144 cores<br>
9216 18-bit words of memory<br>
21.3 mm^2 area on 180 nm process<br>
0.65 watts at peak<br>
666 MHz peak instruction rate
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At 180 nm, roughly 20 GA144s would fit in large GPU area: 144 cores * 20x = 2880 cores<br>
At 180 nm, roughly 380 GA144s would fit in large GPU 250 watt budget: 144 cores * 380x = 54,720 cores<br>
At 28 nm, assuming 40x smaller area than 180 nm, in large GPU die: 144 cores * 20x * 40x = 115,200 cores<br>
115,200 cores * 64 words/core = 7,372,800 18-bit words of memory
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GA144 runs async, but has a peak instruction rate which is roughly 3x higher than GPUs of the 180 nm era
(based on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units">wikipedia numbers</a>).
The point of this thought experiment
was to roughly imagine how a forth based machine would scale in an alternative timeline
where they had been commercially successful.
Seems possible to scale to over 100 K cores on 28 nm.
These forth cores don't directly compare to GPU cores.
For example, GA144 38-bit multiply result takes 18 +* operations:
115,200/18 = 6400 multiplies/clock,
and forth designed around rational math instead of floating point.
Seems possible that in terms of raw arithmetic, the forth machine would be competitive,
if problems were solved in a "parallel forth" way.
However, in terms of programmable logic,
the forth machine would likely be over an order of magnitude faster.
Modern machines tend to use area and pipelining to make expensive operations (like multiply add) run fast,
while GA144 effectively micro-codes them,
keeping low area and much higher throughput for inexpensive operations.
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The imaginary scaled GA144 memory capacity looks possible for a high ALU/MEM ratio.
Note GA144 only has 64 words of memory per core.
Working this from a different perspective, the Epiphany V is 64 MB of on-chip memory.
That 64 MB divided across 256 K forth sized cores is again only 256 bytes of memory (or 64 32-bit words/core).
Point being, if one wanted to scale to massive counts of simple cores,
memory/core has to be tiny.
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<i>Which brings up the ultimate question:
is it possible to practically leverage the order of magnitude increase in performance for simple operations,
when one needs to deconstruct every problem into such small tasks?</i>
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<h1>20161108 - Archive</h1>
<h1>20161109 - Archive</h1>
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<center><i>In progress moving blog again, this time to Github Pages ...</i></center>
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<a href="20161014.html">20161014 - Possible Directional Routing Hoplite Variant?</a><br>
<a href="20161013.html">20161013 - SymbOS - 8-bit OS Awesome Sause</a><br>
<a href="20161012.html">20161012 - Technical Evaluation of Traditional vs New "HDR" Encoding Crossed With Display Capability</a><br>
<a href="20161011.html">20161011 - Forth Hardware Thoughts</a><br>
<a href="20160715.html">20160715 - LED Displays</a><br>
<a href="20160127.html">20160127 - Temporal AA Neighborhood Clamp</a><br>
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