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+title: "@SebAaltonen I remember having an argument with one of the staffs of 42 about allowing the usage of debuggers in exams as he was totally against the idea leaving us with printf debugging in a 2h exam session."
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/Jerroudi_Yass/status/1786365002519089480"
+author: "Yassine Jerroudi"
+handle: Jerroudi_Yass
+post_id: "1786365002519089480"
+date: 2024-05-03
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "@SebAaltonen I remember having an argument with one of the staffs of 42 about allowing the usage of debuggers in exams as he was totally against the idea leaving us with printf debugging in a 2h exam session."
+in_reply_to: ""
+parent_post_id: "1786349827669790823"
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/Jerroudi_Yass/status/1786365002519089480
+- Author: Yassine Jerroudi (@Jerroudi_Yass)
+- Posted: 2024-05-03 11:59:40
+
+## Branch
+
+**1/**
+
+@SebAaltonen I remember having an argument with one of the staffs of 42 about allowing the usage of debuggers in exams as he was totally against the idea leaving us with printf debugging in a 2h exam session. I never understood why there is so much hate/reluctance about the usage of debuggers
+
+**2/**
+
+@Jerroudi_Yass Debuggers are too powerful. People who don't know how to use them would suffer if people around them learned to use a debugger. Their colleagues would suddenly become 10x programmers and they would not. Thus it's better that nobody learns the debugger.
+
+**3/**
+
+@SebAaltonen So the logic is not to let people who are willing to learn more things and tools that are not required in a curriculum to do so, and have everybody on a equal skillset ?
+
+## Related
+
+- Spine: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
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+---
+title: "@SebAaltonen Debate is not about when you don't want to use notepad, but when you are not able to use it."
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/deejayyhu/status/1786422302373974029"
+author: "Chief Twat"
+handle: deejayyhu
+post_id: "1786422302373974029"
+date: 2024-05-03
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "@SebAaltonen Debate is not about when you don't want to use notepad, but when you are not able to use it."
+in_reply_to: ""
+parent_post_id: "1786349827669790823"
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/deejayyhu/status/1786422302373974029
+- Author: Chief Twat (@deejayyhu)
+- Posted: 2024-05-03 15:47:21
+
+## Branch
+
+**1/**
+
+@SebAaltonen Debate is not about when you don't want to use notepad, but when you are not able to use it.
+
+New version of "copy con program.exe", there is truth hidden between the lines.
+
+## Related
+
+- Spine: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
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+---
+title: "@SebAaltonen The anti-tooling discourse in programming is quite tiring"
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1786352488557191368"
+author: "Dmitrii"
+handle: dmitriid
+post_id: "1786352488557191368"
+date: 2024-05-03
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "@SebAaltonen The anti-tooling discourse in programming is quite tiring"
+in_reply_to: ""
+parent_post_id: "1786349827669790823"
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1786352488557191368
+- Author: Dmitrii (@dmitriid)
+- Posted: 2024-05-03 11:09:56
+
+## Branch
+
+**1/**
+
+@SebAaltonen The anti-tooling discourse in programming is quite tiring
+
+## Related
+
+- Spine: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
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+---
+title: "@SebAaltonen The meme isn't saying you shouldn't use it, it's saying you should be *able* to still program without it."
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/jmac_ai/status/1786374064958849320"
+author: "James"
+handle: jmac_ai
+post_id: "1786374064958849320"
+date: 2024-05-03
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "@SebAaltonen The meme isn't saying you shouldn't use it, it's saying you should be *able* to still program without it."
+in_reply_to: ""
+parent_post_id: "1786346729547153794"
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/jmac_ai/status/1786374064958849320
+- Author: James (@jmac_ai)
+- Posted: 2024-05-03 12:35:40
+
+## Branch
+
+**1/**
+
+@SebAaltonen The meme isn't saying you shouldn't use it, it's saying you should be *able* to still program without it.
+
+The implied meaning is that you should have a strong foundational understanding to build what you need that tools amplify.
+
+**2/**
+
+@jmac_ai Yes. But programming is 90% reading code, and browsing though a big code base in notepad is just insanely slow. You open cmake files to multiple tabs and file browsers to others to find the files, etc. In good IDE you just click. Reading code is the problem, not writing.
+
+**3/**
+
+@SebAaltonen Of course it's slow. Again, that's not the point :p
+
+**4/**
+
+@jmac_ai Why would anybody want to learn a slow cumbersome practice that nobody should use in professional development? I still don't understand.
+
+**5/**
+
+@SebAaltonen Bc it forces you to build a foundational knowledge. That helps when tools have a bug; it helps you understand where to look for things; allows you to make better tools, etc.
+
+E.g., When an IDE isn't working right for someone I can help fix it, bc I understand the foundations.
+
+**6/**
+
+@jmac_ai @SebAaltonen Does it really though? It never (at least for me) does much more than autocomplete particularly long types. That's not really doing the code for me, I'm still having to design the algorithm. 
+
+Further inteli often gets it wrong so you have to know what ur doing. It's  !copilot.
+
+**7/**
+
+@the_vertigamer @SebAaltonen Plausibly you could learn all the foundations in different ways. The meme isn't prescriptive that you learn by doing it the hard way, only that you *could* do it the hard way. If you couldn't, then it suggests you haven't learned all the foundations.
+
+**8/**
+
+@jmac_ai @SebAaltonen Fair enough you've got me there. Overall I do think this debate is pretty meaningless though. It often devolves into the 'real programers code by doing {insane antiquated thing}' argument. 
+
+Which reminds me of how people used to get mad at the idea of compilers
+
+**9/**
+
+@the_vertigamer @SebAaltonen You'll get no objection from me on using tools! In fact, I am continually dissatisfied that our tools and languages are not better. 
+
+I think learning foundations is important, but progress is made by being dissatisfied with the status quo.
+
+## Related
+
+- Spine: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
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+---
+title: "@SebAaltonen And when there is no tool for something, they develop it."
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/daihaminkey/status/1786617722962686400"
+author: "Тимофей Хаханов"
+handle: daihaminkey
+post_id: "1786617722962686400"
+date: 2024-05-04
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "@SebAaltonen And when there is no tool for something, they develop it."
+in_reply_to: ""
+parent_post_id: "1786349827669790823"
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/daihaminkey/status/1786617722962686400
+- Author: Тимофей Хаханов (@daihaminkey)
+- Posted: 2024-05-04 04:43:53
+
+## Branch
+
+**1/**
+
+@SebAaltonen And when there is no tool for something, they develop it.
+
+Especially in gamedev
+
+## Related
+
+- Spine: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
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+---
+title: "Why should one be able to code without autocomplete and without a good IDE? I want to click on a symbol to find where it's defined and click on include file to go there, etc."
+type: archive
+source: twitter
+source_url: "https://x.com/SebAaltonen/status/1786346729547153794"
+author: "Sebastian Aaltonen"
+handle: SebAaltonen
+post_id: "1786346729547153794"
+date: 2024-05-03
+archived: 2026-08-25
+draft: false
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+description: "Why should one be able to code without autocomplete and without a good IDE? I want to click on a symbol to find where it's defined and click on include file to go there, etc."
+in_reply_to: ""
+---
+
+## Source
+
+- URL: https://x.com/SebAaltonen/status/1786346729547153794
+- Author: Sebastian Aaltonen (@SebAaltonen)
+- Posted: 2024-05-03 10:47:03
+
+## Thread
+
+**1/**
+
+Why should one be able to code without autocomplete and without a good IDE? I want to click on a symbol to find where it's defined and click on include file to go there, etc. And notepad doesn't have a debugger. I just don't get it. Why would anybody want to do that?
+
+Branches: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without/2024-05-03-jmac_ai-the-meme-isnt-saying-you-shouldnt-use-it-its]]
+
+**2/**
+
+I could write all my code in assembler too. But why would I do that? Modern tools give me better productivity so I use them instead. I know how to read assembly when debugging code, but I want my compiler to write it.
+
+**3/**
+
+I personally use git from command line, but when I need to look at the history or solve a merge conflict, I jump into a modern GUI to do those tasks. GUI is just so much more productive for those tasks.
+
+**4/**
+
+Professional programmer knows how to use the best tools to make them productive. This includes IDEs, debuggers, profilers, sanitizers, version control, etc, etc. And Google too (for API docs, etc). A 10x coder isn't sitting in dark room with terminal. They know how all the tools.
+
+Branches: [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without/2024-05-03-dmitriid-the-anti-tooling-discourse-in-programming-is]], [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without/2024-05-03-Jerroudi_Yass-i-remember-having-an-argument-with-one-of-the]], [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without/2024-05-03-deejayyhu-debate-is-not-about-when-you-dont-want-to-use]], [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without/2024-05-04-daihaminkey-and-when-there-is-no-tool-for-something-they]]
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+---
+title: SebAaltonen
+type: note
+draft: false
+description: Archived threads by SebAaltonen.
+tags:
+  - archive
+  - twitter
+  - SebAaltonen
+---
+
+- [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen/2024-05-03-why-should-one-be-able-to-code-without]]
@@ -14,6 +14,7 @@ How to read a folder: [[notes/How threads are organized]].
 Example of the note shape (single spine, no branches): [[archive/threads/How to archive a thread]]

 - [[archive/threads/NOTimothyLottes]]
+- [[archive/threads/SebAaltonen]]
 - [[archive/threads/VPCOMPRESSB]]
 - [[archive/threads/VictorTaelin]]
 - [[archive/threads/kenpex]]