# nagent vs Manual Slop: Comparison Table

**Companion to:** `report.md`
**Date:** 2026-06-08 (revised same day)
**Source:** nagent v1.0.0 (read 2026-06-08)

Flat side-by-side reference. One row per nagent principle. Verdicts and pitfalls are in `report.md`.

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## Legend

- **Verdict values:** PARITY (same shape), PARITY+ (Manual Slop is stronger), PARITY- (nagent is stronger), PARTIAL (one half, not the other), GAP (Manual Slop lacks the feature), DOMAIN MISMATCH (different scope).
- **Domain tags:** APP = Application domain, MT = Meta-Tooling domain, BOTH.

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| # | nagent Principle (verbatim summary) | nagent Mechanism | Manual Slop Equivalent | Verdict | Domain | Action |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Durable work, disposable workers. The agent is not the thing; the data is the thing. | `bin/nagent` 700-line single-file loop, conversation is a text file | MMA workers are real subprocesses with Context Amnesia; **Application AI is long-lived by design** | **PARTIAL** | BOTH | Future-track: stateless `LLMClient` class (§15.4) |
| 2 | Text in, text out. File in, text out is the smallest useful primitive. | `bin/nagent-llm-text` + `bin/helpers/nagent_llm.py` (4 providers) | `src/ai_client.py:send(...) -> str` (5 providers) | **PARITY** | BOTH | None |
| 3 | Conversations are editable state. The conversation file is not chat history; it is working state. | `bin/nagent` exposes `--save/load/edit/summarize`; text files are user-editable (vim/cat/diff/cp the raw transcript) | Discussion Takes + branching + per-entry edit (A1-A7 in report §3) + discussion-level CRUD (B1-B11) + role management (B5) + UI snapshot undo/redo (C1-C5) | **PARITY (DIFFERENT FOCUS)** — Manual Slop edits abstracted typed entries (`disc_entries` is a `list[dict]` with role + content + ts + thinking_segments + usage). Both have comprehensive editing; Manual Slop's is more granular at the entry layer, nagent's is deeper at the raw-transcript layer. | APP | Future-track: optional raw-transcript persistence per Take (Candidate 10) |
| 4 | Visible output protocol. Teach the model an output format; use a visible, parseable protocol. | `TAG_PATTERNS` regex list; `parse_response` strict; `MAX_FORMAT_RETRIES = 3` | Provider-native function calling (Gemini, Anthropic, etc.) | **ARCHITECTURAL DIFFERENCE** — Application's choice is correct (parallel tool calls, JSON mode) | BOTH | Future-track: intent-based DSL for Meta-Tooling calls |
| 5 | The loop. Append, call, parse, act, append, repeat. | `bin/nagent:run_agent_loop()` 50 lines, single `while True` | Three parallel loops: `ai_client._send_*` (LLM), `ConductorEngine.run` (MMA), `WorkflowSimulator.run_discussion_turn_async` (App) | **PARITY** | BOTH | (Low priority) Future-track: extract a single `src/llm_loop.py:run_loop` |
| 6 | Per-file memory. Each file gets its own persistent local memory. | `file_id_for_path` (st_dev:st_ino); `conversations/file-index-{pid}.json`; `nagent-file-edit` per-file subprocess | `FileItem` (path + view_mode + ast_mask + custom_slices); `ContextPreset` (saved set of FileItems); Structural File Editor | **PARITY (DIFFERENT KIND)** — Manual Slop's is *curation memory* (rich); nagent's is *conversation log memory* (plain text). Both real, both per-file, different optimization. | APP | Future-track: thin "last-investigation" log per file (Meta-Tooling-friendly) |
| 7 | Repository history as data. Turn git history into editing context. | `git_file_history` + `summarize_new_file_commits` + `coedited_file_rows` + `format_file_history` | `_reread_file_items` (mtime-based, diff injection); git-linked discussion tracking in GUI; **no historical-context injection** | **PARTIAL** — diff injection is similar; historical-context injection is missing | APP | Future-track: `src/git_history.py` mirroring nagent's `file_edit_history_and_summary_block` |
| 8 | Historical coupling & artifact neighborhoods. Files that change together are hints. | `coedited_file_rows` labels high/medium/low co-edit rate; guidance text "Use these files as hints. Do not edit unless the user request or evidence requires it." | None (closest: `py_get_hierarchy` is structural not historical) | **GAP** | APP | Future-track: `py_coedited_files` + `ts_c_coedited_files` MCP tools |
| 9 | Disposable sub-conversations. Exploration creates noise; spawn disposable workers. | `<nagent-conversation>` tag spawns `nagent --invocation delegated` as subprocess; isolated conversation file; recursive token rollup | MMA Tier 3/4 workers (real subprocesses); **1:1 main discussion has no sub-conversation mechanism** | **PARITY for MMA; GAP for 1:1 discussions** | APP (and MT) | **USER-FLAGGED WANT**: Future-track `src/sub_conversation.py:SubConversationRunner` for 1:1 investigations |
| 10 | Controlled writes. A loop that writes files needs explicit boundaries. Not a sandbox; just conventions. | `validate_write_path`: main mode → tmpdir only; file-edit mode → target or segments; rejected writes append `<nagent-write-result status="error">` | `mcp_client._is_allowed` (3-layer: allowlist + path validation + resolution gate); `run_powershell` requires GUI modal approval; PowerShell-only by default; 60s timeout + `taskkill` cleanup; optional Tier 4 QA | **PARITY+ (Manual Slop stronger)** — 3-layer security + HITL + sandbox is dramatically stricter than nagent's tmpdir check | APP (and MT) | None — current design is right |
| 11 | Large files as explicit artifacts. Split, edit segments, patch. | `nagent-file-split` (11 langs, regex + line counts + brace/JSON/XML depth); `nagent-file-patch` (strict hash validation); `nagent-file-summarize` (per-segment + retry); 32 KB default; index.json with `source_path`, `sourcesha256`, `segments[]` | `aggregate.py:build_file_items` + `py_get_skeleton` (tree-sitter) + `ts_c_*_get_skeleton` (tree-sitter); `set_file_slice` / `edit_file` (mtime validation, not hash); `run_subagent_summarization` (in-process, no retry); `RAGEngine._chunk_code` (mtime-based, ChromaDB) | **PARITY (DIFFERENT MECHANISM)** — both have the insight; nagent uses per-language scoring functions + subprocess isolation + hash validation; Manual Slop uses tree-sitter + in-process + mtime validation | BOTH | Future-track: explicit `src/split_lib.py` + `src/patch_lib.py` mirroring nagent's design, with hash validation |
| 12 | Tool discovery. Tool capability should be explicit data. | `collect_bin_tool_descriptions` runs each `bin/* --description`; auto-builds "Available tools:" block for initial context | None (45 tools in `mcp_client.py:dispatch` if/elif chain) | **GAP** — nagent's pattern is genuinely better; current dispatch is fine but not extensible | BOTH (especially MT) | Future-track: subsumed by `mcp_architecture_refactor_20260606` (sub-MCPs as self-describing modules) |
| 13 | Differences from frameworks. The reframing table: memory→editable artifact, agent→temporary transformation function, context→explicit input data. | The philosophical frame | The applicable reframings: editable UI state, curated per-file memory, git history as data | **N/A** | BOTH | (Lens, not action) |
| 14 | Build your own. 12-step buildable list. | The reference | Manual Slop has all 12, in different files, at different scale | **PARITY** | BOTH | (Checklist) |

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## The 6 Pitfalls (revised, after user-corrections)

See `report.md §15` for full details. Quick reference:

| # | Pitfall | Domain | Future-track | User flag? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | No structured output protocol in Application AI (opaque function calling) | BOTH | Intent-based DSL for Meta-Tooling | Implicit ("intent based DSL to help with discovery") |
| 2 | Provider-specific history in process globals (`_anthropic_history`, `_deepseek_history`, etc.) | APP | Stateless `LLMClient` class | No |
| 3 | RAG is not "history as data" (fuzzy, not auditable) | APP | RAG pre-staging sub-conversation | **Yes** ("Would be cool to have a sub agent maybe prepare a rag chunks before I use them in a run") |
| 4 | AI client is a stateful singleton with module-level globals (2,685-line file) | APP | Stateless `LLMClient` class (same as #2) | No |
| 5 | No non-MMA disposable sub-conversations | APP (and MT) | `src/sub_conversation.py:SubConversationRunner` | **Yes** ("I probably want to add that for just 1:1 discussions where I use a sub-agent manually for specific points") |
| 6 | Hard-coded tool discovery (45-tool if/elif chain) | BOTH | Subsumed by `mcp_architecture_refactor_20260606` | Implicit ("intent based DSL to help with discovery") |

### Pitfalls removed by user-corrections

- **(removed)** "Conversation state is buried in module-level globals" — overstated. Manual Slop has editable UI state (Takes, UISnapshot, ContextPreset); the lack of editable raw transcripts is a *different* design choice, not a gap. See `report.md §3`.
- **(removed)** "No per-file memory" — overstated. Manual Slop *does* have per-file memory in the curation dimension (FileItem + ContextPreset + Fuzzy Anchors); what's missing is nagent's conversation-log dimension, which is a *different* optimization. See `report.md §6`.

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## Future-track candidates — priority list

Ordered by user signal + implementation cost:

1. **`src/sub_conversation.py:SubConversationRunner`** — user-flagged as a want. Extract MMA's `mma_exec.py` pattern into a reusable App-callable class. Useful for 1:1 investigations. **High priority.** (Pitfall #5)

2. **RAG pre-staging via sub-conversation** — user-flagged as a want. A sub-agent pre-builds the RAG index for a planned run; the chunks become the discussion's starting memory. **High priority.** (Pitfall #3)

3. **Stateless `LLMClient` class** — would unify Pitfall #2 and #4. Backwards-compatible with `ai_client.send()`. ~2-3 phases of careful refactor. **Medium priority.**

4. **Intent-based DSL for Meta-Tooling tool calls** — user-noted as a want ("no where near that ideation yet"). **Low priority, research spike.**

5. **Self-describing MCP tools (nagent §12 pattern)** — subsumed by `mcp_architecture_refactor_20260606`. **Low priority on its own.**

6. **`src/git_history.py` for nagent §7 pattern** — historical context injection. **Medium priority, but only after #1-#2 are done.**

7. **Per-file conversation log (nagent §6 conversation dimension)** — Meta-Tooling-friendly addition. **Low priority.**

8. **`py_coedited_files` / `ts_c_coedited_files` MCP tools (nagent §8)** — small, contained. **Low priority.**

9. **Explicit `src/split_lib.py` + `src/patch_lib.py` (nagent §11)** — only needed if very-large-file scenarios emerge. **Defer until needed.**

10. **Optional raw-transcript persistence per Take (nagent §3 conversation dimension)** — niche. **Low priority.**
